1 00:00:18,050 --> 00:00:19,880 Here. 2 00:00:25,250 --> 00:00:27,200 Fintan MacEntee'? 3 00:00:27,260 --> 00:00:28,670 Detective Superintendent Pullman. 4 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,220 Jack Halford. Interesting choice of venue. 5 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:33,490 Well, I wanted to meet you two somewhere there was no chance 6 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,240 of bumping into any of my fellow countrymen. 7 00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:36,230 Here'? 8 00:00:36,300 --> 00:00:37,230 Believe you me, 9 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:39,400 no self-respecting Irishman would be seen dead 10 00:00:39,470 --> 00:00:40,400 in this place. 11 00:00:40,470 --> 00:00:43,470 So, I think I know what you want to talk to me about. 12 00:00:43,540 --> 00:00:44,800 Barbara Linden-Warner. 13 00:00:44,870 --> 00:00:47,340 Kidnapped August '83 from the Mayfair Hotel, London. 14 00:00:47,410 --> 00:00:48,480 She was 18. 15 00:00:48,540 --> 00:00:49,480 Yes, I know all this. 16 00:00:49,550 --> 00:00:51,580 Yeah, I know you do, because three days later, 17 00:00:51,650 --> 00:00:53,630 your organization phoned the press 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,130 and claimed responsibility. 19 00:00:55,180 --> 00:00:56,170 Former organization. 20 00:00:56,250 --> 00:00:58,930 The Republican Front disbanded and decommissioned 21 00:00:58,990 --> 00:01:00,090 a long time ago. 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,330 Whatever. And then last week, 23 00:01:01,390 --> 00:01:03,060 you told a completely different story. 24 00:01:03,130 --> 00:01:04,230 You read the interview, then. 25 00:01:04,290 --> 00:01:05,890 When you were asked about Barbara's abduction, 26 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,970 you said you only got involved because of the publicity, 27 00:01:09,030 --> 00:01:11,160 because of the outrage it would cause 28 00:01:11,230 --> 00:01:13,030 and now you deeply regret it. 29 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:14,240 And I do. 30 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:16,430 So, how come it took 27 years and a newspaper article 31 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:17,440 for you to come forward? 32 00:01:17,510 --> 00:01:18,950 PULLMAN: Wouldn't have anything to do 33 00:01:19,010 --> 00:01:21,040 with you running for the European Parliament, would it'? 34 00:01:21,110 --> 00:01:22,980 HALFORD: You don't often find abduction and murder 35 00:01:23,050 --> 00:01:24,510 in an MEP's manifesto. 36 00:01:24,580 --> 00:01:27,290 Most MEPs didn't grow up in Belfast in the '70s. 37 00:01:27,350 --> 00:01:28,890 Maybe you've heard about it. 38 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:30,020 It was a dark time. 39 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:31,500 Terrible things happened. 40 00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:34,050 Oh, yes, your troubled youth. 41 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,590 You know, you ought to write a book about it. 42 00:01:35,660 --> 00:01:36,650 Oh! 43 00:01:38,130 --> 00:01:39,390 You did. 44 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:43,330 All right, listen. 45 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,070 I'm sorry I didn't come forward earlier, 46 00:01:46,130 --> 00:01:47,070 but I'm sure you'll understand 47 00:01:47,140 --> 00:01:48,810 that someone with my history might find it difficult 48 00:01:48,870 --> 00:01:50,130 to walk into a London police station. 49 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:54,570 Anyway, it's all out in the open now. 50 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,920 I saw the light when I was sent to the Maze. 51 00:01:56,980 --> 00:01:58,520 I'm not interested in your life story. 52 00:01:58,580 --> 00:01:59,510 I just want to know 53 00:01:59,580 --> 00:02:01,620 Whether what you said in that interview was true. 54 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,820 Of course it was. 55 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,250 The Republican Front did not kidnap or kill that girl. 56 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,450 We simply saw an opportunity to raise our profile 57 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,230 by claiming responsibility. 58 00:02:11,290 --> 00:02:14,630 And maybe give Barbara's father a few sleepless nights. 59 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:19,270 Sir Kenneth, Managing Director of Linden-Warner Industries, 60 00:02:19,330 --> 00:02:21,370 one of the companies that supplied the RUC 61 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,430 with plastic bullets. 62 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:25,540 We'll be in touch, Mr. MacEntee. 63 00:02:28,540 --> 00:02:30,080 Have you read it'? 64 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:31,080 Not really. 65 00:02:31,150 --> 00:02:32,520 I don't like fiction. 66 00:02:33,380 --> 00:02:36,110 67 00:02:36,180 --> 00:02:38,920 if you're old and gray 68 00:02:38,990 --> 00:02:41,630 I say it's okay 69 00:02:41,690 --> 00:02:44,180 70 00:02:44,260 --> 00:02:46,790 71 00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:50,070 if the sun don't shine 72 00:02:50,130 --> 00:02:52,410 I say it's okay 73 00:02:52,470 --> 00:02:54,540 the end of the day 74 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,310 SubRIP by docent{mults.org 75 00:02:57,370 --> 00:02:58,310 Oh, he didn't do it'? 76 00:02:58,370 --> 00:03:00,750 That's what the former Irish terrorist told you, is it'? 77 00:03:00,810 --> 00:03:01,830 Yes, Gerry. 78 00:03:01,910 --> 00:03:03,780 Yeah, what else did he say'? He knows Where Shergar is'? 79 00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:06,160 You're not the only one with reservations, all right'? 80 00:03:06,210 --> 00:03:07,660 I should bloody well hope not. 81 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,220 Just think of the girl's family. 82 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,230 Nearly 30 years of not knowing what actually happened to her. 83 00:03:12,290 --> 00:03:13,630 And that's why we're taking the case. 84 00:03:13,690 --> 00:03:14,830 Yeah, all right, all right. 85 00:03:14,890 --> 00:03:16,230 Just don't expect me to be happy 86 00:03:16,290 --> 00:03:18,570 about helping MacEntee's political campaign. 87 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:20,000 HALFORD: Oh, he's a man of peace now. 88 00:03:20,060 --> 00:03:23,040 He just wants to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony. 89 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:24,630 PULLMAN: Cheers, Jack! 90 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:27,100 Well, he was never much of a terrorist in the first place. 91 00:03:27,170 --> 00:03:28,270 Do what? 92 00:03:28,340 --> 00:03:29,900 LANE: What? The Republican Front? 93 00:03:29,970 --> 00:03:31,600 They were always minor league. 94 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:34,650 Basically, a bunch of Wannabe thugs. 95 00:03:34,710 --> 00:03:36,480 Exhibit A. 96 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:37,770 STANDING: I've seen that picture before, haven't I'? 97 00:03:37,850 --> 00:03:41,540 Yeah, because it was everywhere in the summer of '83. 98 00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:43,410 You know, that pub riot in Kilburn, 99 00:03:43,490 --> 00:03:45,190 The Duke of Wellington. 100 00:03:45,250 --> 00:03:48,350 Yeah, some shop windows got smashed, and the pub was looted. 101 00:03:48,420 --> 00:03:49,870 Oh, that's right, yeah. 102 00:03:49,930 --> 00:03:52,490 Two young uniformed lads steamed in there 103 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,460 'cause the paddies were all drinking after hours. 104 00:03:54,530 --> 00:03:56,910 Well, Fintan MacEntee was one of those arrested 105 00:03:56,970 --> 00:03:59,040 and hence captured for posterity. 106 00:03:59,100 --> 00:04:02,950 Right, take a look at the case files. 107 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,070 Come on, get on with it! 108 00:04:08,780 --> 00:04:11,690 This case is full of bad decisions. 109 00:04:11,750 --> 00:04:13,280 Yes, starting with the family 110 00:04:13,350 --> 00:04:15,730 not getting in touch with the kidnap squad 111 00:04:15,780 --> 00:04:17,820 until after they paid the ransom. 112 00:04:17,890 --> 00:04:20,010 By the time the investigation had started, 113 00:04:20,090 --> 00:04:21,280 the trail had gone cold. 114 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,340 Which might be why the investigation centered mostly 115 00:04:24,390 --> 00:04:26,130 around the Irish angle. 116 00:04:26,190 --> 00:04:27,820 Well, they didn't have a lot to go on. 117 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:29,400 They should have explored every angle. 118 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:30,400 That was their job. 119 00:04:30,470 --> 00:04:32,240 So, it's all the Met's fault, is it? 120 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:33,270 I'm not saying that. 121 00:04:33,340 --> 00:04:35,240 But I remember what it was like in '83. 122 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:36,980 Everyone was on high alert. 123 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,630 Terrorism makes people terrified, 124 00:04:38,710 --> 00:04:40,940 and terrified people do not make good decisions. 125 00:04:41,010 --> 00:04:42,390 PULLMAN: What do you think? 126 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Well, the girl was at a big posh do at the Mayfair Hotel. 127 00:04:47,150 --> 00:04:49,280 Her boyfriend said that between 8:30 and 9:00 128 00:04:49,350 --> 00:04:51,480 they had a bit of a row, she stormed out, 129 00:04:51,550 --> 00:04:53,090 and basically was never seen again. 130 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,150 The alarm was raised the following morning 131 00:04:55,220 --> 00:04:57,950 when the boyfriend went round to the house and she wasn't there. 132 00:04:58,030 --> 00:04:59,490 And then this arrived. 133 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:00,970 "We have your daughter. 134 00:05:01,030 --> 00:05:04,030 We will return her when Ireland is free once more. 135 00:05:04,100 --> 00:05:06,090 Do not speak to police." 136 00:05:06,170 --> 00:05:07,840 "When Ireland is free once more"? 137 00:05:07,900 --> 00:05:08,840 LANE: I know. 138 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:11,130 In '83, there was definitely no sign of that happening. 139 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:13,700 If I'd have got this note, I'd have thought she was dead. 140 00:05:13,780 --> 00:05:18,040 Maybe, but then this arrived 48 hours later. 141 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:21,850 "Ten thousand quid to the place on the map by midnight. 142 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,300 Then to Fleet services. M Three. 143 00:05:24,350 --> 00:05:26,630 Call police, we kill her." 144 00:05:26,690 --> 00:05:29,450 Someone obviously decided they needed the money. 145 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,460 Is it just me... 146 00:05:30,530 --> 00:05:32,300 LANE: Yeah, I know. They're different. 147 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,950 The first one's much more formal. 148 00:05:34,030 --> 00:05:36,070 Yeah, and it's properly punctuated. Look. 149 00:05:36,130 --> 00:05:38,290 They've even out out full stops from the newspaper. 150 00:05:38,370 --> 00:05:41,890 And they've used two different typefaces on this ransom demand. 151 00:05:41,970 --> 00:05:44,800 And a different type again on the first note. 152 00:05:44,870 --> 00:05:47,790 All right, we're going to go back to the beginning 153 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:49,880 and investigate this as a kidnap, 154 00:05:49,950 --> 00:05:51,390 not an act of terrorism. 155 00:05:51,450 --> 00:05:54,660 Hold on. Linden-Warner Industries had been threatened 156 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,510 by Republican groups for years. 157 00:05:56,590 --> 00:05:57,690 Not just them, Gerry. 158 00:05:57,750 --> 00:06:00,030 They have a fairly contentious client list. 159 00:06:00,090 --> 00:06:02,760 Nicaragua, Israel, South Africa. 160 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:04,420 PULLMAN: All right, you and Gerry look at the hate mail 161 00:06:04,490 --> 00:06:06,440 and see if there are any specific threats. 162 00:06:06,490 --> 00:06:07,030 Okay. 163 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:09,440 But what about the specific threat in that? 164 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:10,690 All right, Gerry, I haven't forgotten. 165 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:13,600 I'm just trying to review the evidence with an open mind, 166 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:14,810 if it's okay with you. 167 00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:16,340 Open minds? 168 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,140 Yeah, it's fine with me. 169 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:23,570 PULLMAN: Not everyone's feeling the credit crunch, I see. 170 00:06:23,650 --> 00:06:26,590 HALFORD: You never see arms manufacturers on the breadline. 171 00:06:26,650 --> 00:06:30,260 We can always afford a war. 172 00:06:30,850 --> 00:06:34,160 Detective Superintendent Pullman, ma'am. 173 00:06:34,220 --> 00:06:35,190 Thank you. 174 00:06:35,260 --> 00:06:37,990 Lady Elizabeth, thank you for agreeing to see us. 175 00:06:38,060 --> 00:06:39,130 This is Jack Halford. 176 00:06:39,190 --> 00:06:40,160 How do you do'? 177 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:43,540 I've been expecting you ever since... 178 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,590 We read the article. 179 00:06:45,670 --> 00:06:47,740 He was lying, wasn't he'? 180 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:48,740 We're not sure, 181 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,480 which is why we want to reopen the investigation. 182 00:06:51,540 --> 00:06:56,000 Good. That's good. 183 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,170 I mean, I know there's very little chance 184 00:06:59,250 --> 00:07:01,410 you'll find my daughter alive, 185 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,190 but... 186 00:07:07,460 --> 00:07:08,420 Of course. 187 00:07:08,490 --> 00:07:10,120 Oh, please sit down. 188 00:07:10,190 --> 00:07:12,090 Thank you. 189 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:17,100 I just want to know Where she is, 190 00:07:17,170 --> 00:07:21,710 Where she's been all this time. 191 00:07:24,540 --> 00:07:26,880 I'm sorry. 192 00:07:26,940 --> 00:07:29,500 Please excuse me. 193 00:07:29,580 --> 00:07:32,950 Michael, I need you to talk to these people. 194 00:07:33,010 --> 00:07:33,950 I can't... 195 00:07:34,020 --> 00:07:35,480 What the hell's going on'? 196 00:07:35,550 --> 00:07:38,530 I'm Detective Superintendent Pullman. 197 00:07:38,590 --> 00:07:40,050 HALFORD: Jack Halford. 198 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,660 Is this about Barbara 199 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,560 and what that idiot said in his interview? 200 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:46,460 You do know that he's running for election? 201 00:07:46,530 --> 00:07:47,910 Yes, we're aware of that. 202 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,590 Well, do you not find it all rather convenient? 203 00:07:49,660 --> 00:07:51,080 It had crossed our minds, yes. 204 00:07:51,130 --> 00:07:52,630 We can see how upset my mother is. 205 00:07:52,700 --> 00:07:54,740 I just don't think there's anything to be gained 206 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,150 from dragging all this up. 207 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,430 If we can give your mother some answers... 208 00:07:58,510 --> 00:08:01,240 But we all know what the final answer to all this will be. 209 00:08:01,310 --> 00:08:02,240 My sister is dead. 210 00:08:02,310 --> 00:08:04,540 We'd like want to find out exactly what happened. 211 00:08:04,610 --> 00:08:06,600 Don't you think that might help your mother? 212 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,150 That entirely depends on what you find out, doesn't it'? 213 00:08:09,220 --> 00:08:12,020 I'm sorry. I wonder if I could use your, um... 214 00:08:12,090 --> 00:08:15,400 Of course. It's across the hallway. 215 00:08:15,460 --> 00:08:17,590 HALFORD: Thank you. 216 00:08:33,270 --> 00:08:35,250 [Knock on door] 217 00:08:38,180 --> 00:08:40,790 This is the one job I insist on doing myself. 218 00:08:40,850 --> 00:08:43,080 My wife always used to say 219 00:08:43,150 --> 00:08:47,450 if you want a job doing properly, do it yourself. 220 00:08:48,590 --> 00:08:51,150 This was taken the night Barbara went missing. 221 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:55,640 Pretty girl. 222 00:08:55,700 --> 00:08:59,190 It was a very special night for her. 223 00:08:59,270 --> 00:09:03,810 That ball is the culmination of the season. 224 00:09:03,870 --> 00:09:05,340 Barbara was a deb that year. 225 00:09:05,410 --> 00:09:08,120 A debutante? Was she presented to the queen? 226 00:09:08,180 --> 00:09:09,250 Oh, no. 227 00:09:09,310 --> 00:09:11,470 All that had gone by then, more's the pity. 228 00:09:11,550 --> 00:09:14,220 Still, it was an honor to be part of things. 229 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,160 A young lady's debut season 230 00:09:17,220 --> 00:09:20,650 is a wonderful opportunity to meet people, make friends. 231 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,520 Meet a young man'? 232 00:09:22,590 --> 00:09:25,990 If a girl couldn't find a good prospect for herself 233 00:09:26,060 --> 00:09:27,320 during the season, 234 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,770 there really was no hope for her. 235 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:34,440 Although, Barbara had no problems in that department. 236 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:35,800 She was always going to be popular. 237 00:09:35,870 --> 00:09:38,180 So, she met Gregory Hampton that summer? 238 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,520 Yes. We were very happy. 239 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:43,280 He was from an excellent family. 240 00:09:43,340 --> 00:09:44,540 MICHAEL: That's what it was all about. 241 00:09:44,610 --> 00:09:47,080 Finding a suitable husband. 242 00:09:47,150 --> 00:09:48,780 I mean, all the white dresses. 243 00:09:48,850 --> 00:09:51,580 Suppose you're halfway towards a wedding already. 244 00:09:51,650 --> 00:09:53,820 It's more like a virgin sacrifice. 245 00:09:53,890 --> 00:09:56,980 When did you realize that something was Wrong? 246 00:09:58,530 --> 00:10:00,320 Well, Greg arrived here in the morning. 247 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:01,620 He thought she'd be at home. 248 00:10:01,700 --> 00:10:03,110 Where did the family think she was'? 249 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,150 At the ball. 250 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:05,680 Well, those things were a marathon, not a sprint. 251 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:07,290 You stayed until they served breakfast. 252 00:10:07,370 --> 00:10:09,200 Barbara had a car laid on for the morning. 253 00:10:09,270 --> 00:10:11,100 She was supposed to come back with her friend Kate. 254 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:12,340 Kate Smythe'? 255 00:10:12,410 --> 00:10:13,910 Yes, but Kate didn't even see her leave. 256 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:16,770 She assumed that she was with Greg and had gone home alone. 257 00:10:16,850 --> 00:10:19,040 Do you know what the argument was about 258 00:10:19,110 --> 00:10:20,530 between Barbara and Greg? 259 00:10:20,580 --> 00:10:22,620 Greg didn't really remember. Too drunk. 260 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:24,810 That was probably what kicked things off. 261 00:10:24,890 --> 00:10:26,180 Had they argued before'? 262 00:10:26,250 --> 00:10:27,190 I don't think so. 263 00:10:27,260 --> 00:10:28,520 I assume he had more sense. 264 00:10:28,590 --> 00:10:29,760 What do you mean'? 265 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:31,950 Well, if you upset Barbara, you upset my father, 266 00:10:32,030 --> 00:10:33,770 and no one wanted to upset my father. 267 00:10:33,830 --> 00:10:35,060 Oh, I see. 268 00:10:35,130 --> 00:10:37,510 So, Sir Kenneth and Barbara were quite close. 269 00:10:37,570 --> 00:10:39,840 That's an understatement. 270 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:42,180 He thought the sun rose and set with her, 271 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,710 which, in many ways, it did. 272 00:10:43,770 --> 00:10:47,870 She was intelligent and kind, 273 00:10:47,940 --> 00:10:50,220 funny. 274 00:10:51,250 --> 00:10:53,560 She certainly didn't deserve what happened to her. 275 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:57,020 Why didn't your father call in the police? 276 00:10:57,090 --> 00:10:59,430 He thought that if he did what he was told, paid the ransom, 277 00:10:59,490 --> 00:11:00,590 then that would be that. 278 00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:01,590 £10,000. 279 00:11:01,660 --> 00:11:04,260 Didn't somebody question the amount? 280 00:11:04,330 --> 00:11:04,920 Should we have'? 281 00:11:04,990 --> 00:11:07,220 Well, yeah, your father was a very wealthy man. 282 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:09,940 I guess we always assumed it wasn't about the money. 283 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,380 It was a political gesture. 284 00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:13,470 But it was you who took the ransom money 285 00:11:13,540 --> 00:11:14,610 to the drop-off point'? 286 00:11:14,670 --> 00:11:16,440 It was in the middle of Epping Forest. 287 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:17,680 It could have been a trap. 288 00:11:17,740 --> 00:11:21,070 They may have wanted to abduct my father, so I had to go. 289 00:11:21,140 --> 00:11:22,280 Very brave of you. 290 00:11:22,340 --> 00:11:23,880 Oh, Dad had it Worse. 291 00:11:23,950 --> 00:11:26,380 He went to Fleet and Waited for Barbara to be released. 292 00:11:26,450 --> 00:11:27,620 ELIZABETH: He Waited... 293 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:29,670 and waited. 294 00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:31,740 In fact, he never stopped waiting. 295 00:11:31,820 --> 00:11:33,560 Every day, it would start again. 296 00:11:33,620 --> 00:11:38,580 Today maybe she would come back to him. 297 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,160 It went on like that for two years, 298 00:11:43,230 --> 00:11:44,940 until it killed him. 299 00:11:46,470 --> 00:11:48,270 She would have made a beautiful bride, 300 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:50,080 don't you think? 301 00:11:52,570 --> 00:11:54,770 I think the low ransom suggests 302 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,810 that it was an attack on the family, not their wallets. 303 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:59,980 - Yeah, well -- - Oi! 304 00:12:00,050 --> 00:12:01,280 Don't even think about it. 305 00:12:01,350 --> 00:12:02,340 Don't start with me. 306 00:12:02,420 --> 00:12:04,400 It's permit parking round here. There's plenty of signs. 307 00:12:04,450 --> 00:12:07,010 Yes, but I'm on a police investigation, all right'? 308 00:12:07,090 --> 00:12:09,130 Sandra'? 309 00:12:09,190 --> 00:12:11,260 Oh, my God. It is you. 310 00:12:11,330 --> 00:12:12,260 Excuse me'? 311 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:14,400 I know it's been awhile, but... 312 00:12:14,460 --> 00:12:15,490 Tracey. 313 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:17,240 Tracey Smith. 314 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:18,640 From school. 315 00:12:18,700 --> 00:12:22,030 Tracey. Yeah. 316 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:23,170 How are you doing'? 317 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,840 I'm not detective superintendent or anything. 318 00:12:25,910 --> 00:12:27,440 Haven't you done well for yourself? 319 00:12:27,510 --> 00:12:28,440 Yeah, I've done okay. 320 00:12:28,510 --> 00:12:30,460 I expect you'll be coming, then, to show off. 321 00:12:30,510 --> 00:12:32,010 Coming Where? 322 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,310 School reunion, this week. 323 00:12:34,380 --> 00:12:36,090 Now, you are going to be there, aren't you, Sandra'? 324 00:12:36,150 --> 00:12:38,280 I don't know. I'm very busy. 325 00:12:38,350 --> 00:12:39,290 Oh, don't say that! 326 00:12:39,350 --> 00:12:42,270 'Cause there's loads of people looking forward to seeing you. 327 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,390 Miss Harrington's coming. 328 00:12:43,460 --> 00:12:44,390 Miss Harrington? 329 00:12:44,460 --> 00:12:46,450 Yeah, you got on well with her, didn't you'? 330 00:12:46,530 --> 00:12:48,800 It must be ages since you saw her. 331 00:12:50,930 --> 00:12:53,400 Uh, I don't know. Like I said, busy week. 332 00:12:53,470 --> 00:12:54,850 I'll see what I can do. 333 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:57,060 Great. See you there. 334 00:13:04,350 --> 00:13:05,720 Yours, I think. 335 00:13:08,780 --> 00:13:11,460 Right, we need to establish a timeline of what happened 336 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,830 before the Linden-Warmers called in the police. 337 00:13:13,890 --> 00:13:16,230 Now, we know that Barbara and Greg argued 338 00:13:16,290 --> 00:13:17,490 around 8:30/9:00 pm. 339 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:20,320 And then Greg raised the alarm at 9:00 the next morning. 340 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,860 Then the first letter arrived. 341 00:13:21,930 --> 00:13:24,060 In the second post, about midday. 342 00:13:24,130 --> 00:13:26,240 Second post! Bloody hell, those were the days. 343 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:28,500 LANE: And get this, the Royal Mail estimates 344 00:13:28,570 --> 00:13:30,240 it was posted the night of the kidnap. 345 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:33,070 It was collected from the post box about midnight. 346 00:13:33,140 --> 00:13:34,370 Where was it posted'? 347 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,640 Er, Central London, Soho postmark. 348 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:39,840 Twelve hours from post box to front door, fantastic. 349 00:13:39,910 --> 00:13:41,620 Yeah, yeah, all hail the Royal Mail. 350 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:42,620 Thank you. 351 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:43,620 Next question. 352 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:46,090 How did the abductors know Where Barbara would be'? 353 00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:48,950 HALFORD: She was a debutante. It was a debutante's ball. 354 00:13:49,020 --> 00:13:49,990 PULLMAN: Ah, yeah. 355 00:13:50,060 --> 00:13:51,560 But she left early, so they had to be Watching her. 356 00:13:51,630 --> 00:13:53,090 Are you thinking inside job'? 357 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,840 Someone who knew the family, knew their movements? 358 00:13:55,900 --> 00:13:56,830 No, it's a thought. 359 00:13:56,900 --> 00:13:57,830 We should take a look 360 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:00,210 at who was working for the Linden-Warmers at the time. 361 00:14:00,270 --> 00:14:02,250 Domestic staff, people in the office. 362 00:14:02,300 --> 00:14:04,610 Who had access to their personal schedules? 363 00:14:04,670 --> 00:14:06,450 Was there anyone new in the house? 364 00:14:06,510 --> 00:14:07,850 Anyone with an ax to grind'? 365 00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:09,980 And did anybody hand in their resignation 366 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,310 after everything had died down'? 367 00:14:11,380 --> 00:14:12,310 Oh, Won't take long! 368 00:14:12,380 --> 00:14:14,280 Yeah, should narrow it down to about 10,000. 369 00:14:14,350 --> 00:14:18,160 PULLMAN: Okay, the next day, the ransom demand arrives. 370 00:14:18,220 --> 00:14:20,980 With a postmark Mount Pleasant. 371 00:14:21,060 --> 00:14:22,190 So, they were still in London. 372 00:14:22,260 --> 00:14:24,250 Yeah, they had to hang around for the money. 373 00:14:24,330 --> 00:14:27,360 Michael Linden-Warner delivered that to Epping Forest 374 00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:28,990 at midnight as requested. 375 00:14:29,060 --> 00:14:30,740 But they still didn't return Barbara, 376 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,070 so, finally, the Linden-Warmers called in the police. 377 00:14:33,130 --> 00:14:34,120 Have I missed anything? 378 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,000 Yeah, yeah, this mob, the Republican Front, 379 00:14:37,070 --> 00:14:39,540 they phoned the Evening Standard that night 380 00:14:39,610 --> 00:14:41,600 and said they had Barbara. 381 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,560 Okay, what about the ransom amount? 382 00:14:44,610 --> 00:14:46,480 Don't you think that 10 grand is a little low 383 00:14:46,550 --> 00:14:47,480 for a professional job'? 384 00:14:47,550 --> 00:14:48,960 You think that's what it was'? 385 00:14:49,020 --> 00:14:50,880 Well, it had to be, with an insider. 386 00:14:50,950 --> 00:14:53,420 All the forward planning with the letters. 387 00:14:53,490 --> 00:14:55,590 The fact that they snatched Barbara in central London 388 00:14:55,660 --> 00:14:56,590 Without any Witnesses. 389 00:14:56,660 --> 00:14:57,800 No one ever finding the body. 390 00:14:57,860 --> 00:14:59,330 If it wasn't an inside job, 391 00:14:59,390 --> 00:15:01,670 that would involve Watching the family, 392 00:15:01,730 --> 00:15:03,270 working out their movements. 393 00:15:03,330 --> 00:15:04,590 That's a lot of work for a small payout. 394 00:15:04,670 --> 00:15:07,870 Exactly what I'm thinking. 395 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:09,560 STANDING: What do you do, Mr. Hampton? 396 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,500 GREGORY: I'm a journalist. I work from home. 397 00:15:11,570 --> 00:15:14,040 Let me move these and you can take a seat. 398 00:15:14,110 --> 00:15:17,270 They're all waiting to go to the recycling center later. 399 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:18,520 Thank you. 400 00:15:18,580 --> 00:15:21,410 I do wish all the broadsheets would give in and go tabloid. 401 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:22,750 It would save my back. 402 00:15:22,820 --> 00:15:23,990 Sorry, I'm going on. 403 00:15:24,050 --> 00:15:28,020 It's just, I'm not sure what I can tell you about Barbara. 404 00:15:28,090 --> 00:15:29,860 Let's start with what you quarreled about that night. 405 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,270 Well, I was quite drunk. 406 00:15:31,330 --> 00:15:33,430 Not so drunk that you didn't remember 407 00:15:33,490 --> 00:15:36,260 to go round and apologize to her the next morning. 408 00:15:36,330 --> 00:15:38,400 Unless you're saying that you couldn't remember 409 00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:40,090 what you were apologizing for'? 410 00:15:40,170 --> 00:15:42,270 STANDING: So, you'd had a couple of drinks, 411 00:15:42,340 --> 00:15:44,610 but what else happened before the argument? 412 00:15:44,670 --> 00:15:46,500 Was there any dancing or anything? 413 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:47,600 No, not with my two left feet. 414 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,450 PULLMAN: Okay, whereabouts in the hotel were you 415 00:15:49,510 --> 00:15:50,850 when the row kicked off'? 416 00:15:50,910 --> 00:15:54,680 We were in one of the hotel rooms. 417 00:15:56,750 --> 00:15:59,820 It was supposed to be romantic. 418 00:15:59,890 --> 00:16:02,200 It was the last ball of the summer. 419 00:16:02,260 --> 00:16:04,290 I'd ordered a bottle of champagne 420 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,760 and maybe drunk a little too much of it. 421 00:16:06,830 --> 00:16:08,000 It was Dutch courage. 422 00:16:08,060 --> 00:16:09,000 To do what? 423 00:16:09,060 --> 00:16:10,240 To propose. 424 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:11,490 I had the ring. 425 00:16:11,570 --> 00:16:14,040 I went down on one knee and popped the question. 426 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:15,130 And what was the answer? 427 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,940 A resounding no. 428 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,110 That's what the argument was about. 429 00:16:19,170 --> 00:16:21,480 She was supposed to say yes, drink the champagne, and... 430 00:16:21,540 --> 00:16:22,480 Make use of the room'? 431 00:16:22,540 --> 00:16:23,950 That's how I imagined it going, yes. 432 00:16:24,010 --> 00:16:25,570 So, you must have felt very frustrated 433 00:16:25,650 --> 00:16:26,580 when it all went Wrong. 434 00:16:26,650 --> 00:16:31,060 I know what you're thinking, and I know how it sounds. 435 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,000 That's why I didn't come clean at the time. 436 00:16:34,060 --> 00:16:37,060 But I never -- I mean, we just had an argument, that's all. 437 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,320 It didn't get physical. 438 00:16:38,390 --> 00:16:41,100 Did she give you any reason for saying no'? 439 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,230 That's what made me so angry. She Wouldn't say. 440 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:45,280 I honestly thought it was what she wanted. 441 00:16:45,330 --> 00:16:46,470 What happened next? 442 00:16:46,530 --> 00:16:47,730 She left. 443 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,720 I stayed in the room and drank the rest of the champagne 444 00:16:50,770 --> 00:16:52,900 and passed out on the bed. 445 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:54,510 The next morning, I woke up with a hangover 446 00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:55,950 and a desperate need to speak to her. 447 00:16:56,010 --> 00:16:58,240 So I went straight round to the house. 448 00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:59,250 You know the rest. 449 00:16:59,310 --> 00:17:00,940 There are no witnesses to all this, I assume. 450 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:03,090 Well, no. 451 00:17:03,150 --> 00:17:06,130 I appreciate I should have said something at the time, 452 00:17:06,190 --> 00:17:07,720 but Sir Kenneth was upset enough 453 00:17:07,790 --> 00:17:09,530 Without me giving him the details 454 00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:11,540 of my plans to deflower his daughter. 455 00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:13,490 Hey, you're back. 456 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,000 Yes. Hi, I'm Amy, Greg's wife. 457 00:17:17,060 --> 00:17:18,620 They're from the police. 458 00:17:18,700 --> 00:17:20,930 They're looking into the Linden-Warner kidnap again. 459 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,110 Oh, God. 460 00:17:23,170 --> 00:17:25,210 Barbara. 461 00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:29,010 Wow, that's a blast from the past. 462 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,610 You knew her'? 463 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,950 Oh, we were debs together that year. 464 00:17:33,010 --> 00:17:34,640 PULLMAN: Were you close'? 465 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,840 You know how you are at the age. 466 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,420 Friends with everyone you meet. 467 00:17:38,490 --> 00:17:40,020 Did Barbara know about you two'? 468 00:17:40,090 --> 00:17:41,380 Oh, no. 469 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:42,300 Not then. 470 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:44,630 It was at least a year after Barbara went missing 471 00:17:44,690 --> 00:17:46,400 before we even saw each other again. 472 00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:49,290 We bumped into each other at one of the post-season weddings. 473 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:51,400 And you were not that interested even then. 474 00:17:51,470 --> 00:17:53,960 She took some wooing, this one. 475 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,300 But I wore down her resistance. 476 00:17:55,370 --> 00:17:56,560 You mean you cheated. 477 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,410 How do you mean, cheated? 478 00:17:58,470 --> 00:18:01,640 Oh, well, there were so many weddings that summer. 479 00:18:01,710 --> 00:18:05,350 But I seemed to be placed next to Greg at every single one. 480 00:18:05,410 --> 00:18:08,720 It was only later that I found out he'd been phoning the brides 481 00:18:08,780 --> 00:18:10,980 and asking them to alter the seating plans. 482 00:18:11,050 --> 00:18:12,680 Nobody on the staff would have been involved. 483 00:18:12,690 --> 00:18:14,430 Nobody on the staff would have been involved. 484 00:18:14,490 --> 00:18:16,480 You can't be absolutely sure of that. 485 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:17,490 You'd had threats. 486 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,230 MICHAEL: We had security in place. 487 00:18:19,290 --> 00:18:20,830 Everybody did back then. 488 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:22,160 What sort of security? 489 00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:24,870 Just the usual things, being vigilant. 490 00:18:24,930 --> 00:18:27,060 Packages coming into the building were checked. 491 00:18:27,130 --> 00:18:28,730 Any cars parked near the building. 492 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:29,980 And anyone who worked here or at the house 493 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,020 was subject to a security check. 494 00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:34,020 But your sister was still abducted. 495 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,110 We didn't have personal security, 496 00:18:36,180 --> 00:18:38,340 bodyguards or anything like that. 497 00:18:38,410 --> 00:18:40,880 Dad wanted us to have as normal a life as possible. 498 00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:42,250 [Clattering] 499 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,390 He thought that if we let those people have an impact, 500 00:18:45,450 --> 00:18:48,090 change things too much, then they'd have won. 501 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,860 Still, apart from your parents, 502 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,330 who else would have known about Barbara's comings and goings? 503 00:18:53,390 --> 00:18:54,990 MICHAEL: Our driver, Keith. 504 00:18:55,060 --> 00:18:56,560 He didn't have a schedule as such, 505 00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:59,070 but he was just told Where to go as and when he was needed. 506 00:18:59,130 --> 00:19:00,910 Usually, Miss Jones would coordinate that. 507 00:19:00,970 --> 00:19:01,900 Miss Jones? 508 00:19:01,970 --> 00:19:03,040 Dad's secretary. 509 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:05,570 She kept the diaries, opened the mail. 510 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:06,710 It would be good to speak to her. 511 00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:08,280 She retired 25 years ago. 512 00:19:08,340 --> 00:19:12,040 I shouldn't think she still has all her chairs under the table, 513 00:19:12,110 --> 00:19:14,790 that is, if she's still with us. 514 00:19:14,850 --> 00:19:16,720 I don't think we even have an up-to-date address for her. 515 00:19:18,620 --> 00:19:21,780 And you came to work with your father after the kidnap? 516 00:19:21,860 --> 00:19:23,960 Well, he'd lost all interest in the business. 517 00:19:24,030 --> 00:19:25,820 The company wasn't in serious trouble, 518 00:19:25,890 --> 00:19:26,960 but it was on the edge. 519 00:19:27,030 --> 00:19:29,460 The bad publicity had knocked the share price, 520 00:19:29,530 --> 00:19:31,970 so I stepped in to protect him and the company 521 00:19:32,030 --> 00:19:33,590 from any sharks that might have been circling. 522 00:19:33,670 --> 00:19:36,400 And when he died, you took over as managing director? 523 00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:38,270 Yes. It's what he would have wanted. 524 00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:39,750 So, is that how you become head 525 00:19:39,810 --> 00:19:41,670 of an international arms manufacturer? 526 00:19:41,740 --> 00:19:43,240 I mean, it's that easy'? 527 00:19:43,310 --> 00:19:45,020 It's not quite that simple. 528 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,460 Well, do you need any qualifications? 529 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:48,450 No. 530 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,350 Well, it's a hell of a career trajectory, then, isn't it'? 531 00:19:51,420 --> 00:19:53,410 Two years to become managing director. 532 00:19:53,490 --> 00:19:56,090 I worked very hard for it. It's not an easy life. 533 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,720 I'm not suggesting otherwise. 534 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,900 - Vicky will show you out. - Thank you. 535 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,240 I'm going to make that conference call now. 536 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:07,790 - No interruptions, please. - No problem, Michael. 537 00:20:07,870 --> 00:20:09,810 Well, if you gentlemen are ready, 538 00:20:09,870 --> 00:20:11,250 I'll take you downstairs. 539 00:20:11,310 --> 00:20:14,220 Oh, um, if you could just give us that address. 540 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,210 I'm sorry'? 541 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,110 Oh, he forgot to mention it, didn't he? 542 00:20:17,180 --> 00:20:19,740 Ah, you see, Mr. Linden-Warner was going to give us an address 543 00:20:19,810 --> 00:20:20,750 for Miss Jones. 544 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:22,940 Used to be his father's secretary. 545 00:20:23,020 --> 00:20:23,860 First name? 546 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,300 He didn't say. 547 00:20:26,350 --> 00:20:28,030 I can't disturb him. 548 00:20:28,090 --> 00:20:31,860 Why don't I ask him later and e-mail it to you'? 549 00:20:31,930 --> 00:20:33,370 Christmas card list! 550 00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:35,020 - He said it would be on that. - HALFORD: That's right. 551 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:36,660 You Wouldn't have a quick search for us, would you'? 552 00:20:43,170 --> 00:20:45,300 [Knock on door] 553 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,040 Yes. 554 00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:50,040 Miss Jones? 555 00:20:50,110 --> 00:20:52,510 Can I help you'? 556 00:20:52,580 --> 00:20:56,820 How long did you work for Linden-Warner Industries'? 557 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,960 22 years and four months. 558 00:20:59,020 --> 00:21:03,320 My last duties were organizing Sir Kenneth's funeral. 559 00:21:03,390 --> 00:21:05,380 And then you retired'? 560 00:21:05,460 --> 00:21:08,410 I decided it was time to leave. 561 00:21:08,460 --> 00:21:11,670 Michael says you knew everything that was going on. 562 00:21:11,730 --> 00:21:14,040 In the company and with the family. 563 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:17,800 And he's right. I was secretary to the M.D. 564 00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:21,750 It was my job to keep a close eye on every aspect of his work, 565 00:21:21,810 --> 00:21:23,480 to anticipate his needs. 566 00:21:23,540 --> 00:21:25,140 That's quite a job description. 567 00:21:25,210 --> 00:21:27,340 So, there was a lot of responsibility. 568 00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:29,280 Which I took very seriously. 569 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:32,720 Sir Kenneth knew he could trust me implicitly. 570 00:21:32,790 --> 00:21:35,220 In all the time I worked there, I only took three days off. 571 00:21:35,290 --> 00:21:38,120 And that was when my mother died. 572 00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:39,460 I gave my all. 573 00:21:39,530 --> 00:21:42,440 And what did you get back in return? 574 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:45,440 I don't understand the question. 575 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:46,690 Well, don't they say 576 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:49,710 secretaries are neither well-paid or well-treated'? 577 00:21:49,770 --> 00:21:52,720 Sir Kenneth treated me with nothing but respect. 578 00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:54,070 And as for the money, 579 00:21:54,140 --> 00:21:56,870 I would have been happy to work for him for half my salary. 580 00:21:56,940 --> 00:21:57,880 HALFORD: Did you know anything 581 00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:59,390 about the threats that had been made 582 00:21:59,450 --> 00:22:00,380 against the company? 583 00:22:00,450 --> 00:22:02,190 JONES: I opened most of them. 584 00:22:02,250 --> 00:22:05,410 Badly spelled, full of foul language. 585 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:07,350 When the threats became more specific, 586 00:22:07,420 --> 00:22:09,160 it was me who called in the police. 587 00:22:09,220 --> 00:22:10,250 When you say specific, 588 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,630 were there any threats made against the children? 589 00:22:12,690 --> 00:22:14,730 No, no, no. No, it was always Sir Kenneth. 590 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,070 It hardly affected Barbara and Michael. 591 00:22:17,130 --> 00:22:19,570 They led perfectly normal lives. 592 00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:22,610 Normal for children of a multi - millionaire. 593 00:22:22,670 --> 00:22:25,470 They Weren't spoiled. 594 00:22:25,540 --> 00:22:27,280 Barbara was a lovely girl. 595 00:22:27,340 --> 00:22:29,780 And Michael? 596 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,040 Michael was...Michael. 597 00:22:32,110 --> 00:22:33,610 What does that mean'? 598 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,990 Nothing. 599 00:22:36,050 --> 00:22:39,210 I hear he's doing very well these days. 600 00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:42,720 What do you think she was implying'? 601 00:22:42,790 --> 00:22:45,560 Michael Linden-Warner Wouldn't be the first little rich boy 602 00:22:45,630 --> 00:22:46,920 to get himself into trouble. 603 00:22:46,990 --> 00:22:48,890 Which explains why he was so reluctant 604 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,410 for us to speak with Miss Jones. 605 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:51,810 - Here you go. - Thank you. 606 00:22:51,870 --> 00:22:53,460 She's no dodderer, that's for sure. 607 00:22:53,530 --> 00:22:54,640 Mind like a steel trap. 608 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:56,240 PULLMAN: Well, see if he's got a record. 609 00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:59,220 But other than that, security threats were just part 610 00:22:59,270 --> 00:23:01,260 of the Linden-Warner way of life. 611 00:23:01,340 --> 00:23:04,290 They're still not popular as a company. 612 00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:07,330 They had the windows put in during the G20 protests. 613 00:23:07,380 --> 00:23:09,730 They were taken to court by family. 614 00:23:09,780 --> 00:23:13,100 One of their drivers was killed delivering a shipment 615 00:23:13,150 --> 00:23:14,660 to Liverpool Docks back in 1984. 616 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,070 STANDING: By terrorists? 617 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:17,420 LANE: It was a robbery, 618 00:23:17,490 --> 00:23:20,200 but you have to ask who nicks a lorry load of guns and grenades. 619 00:23:20,260 --> 00:23:22,570 So, are we looking for a multitude of suspects, then? 620 00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:23,600 No, I Wouldn't think so. 621 00:23:23,660 --> 00:23:26,790 Peace campaigners don't usually resort to kidnap and murder. 622 00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:28,770 It doesn't quite fit the image. 623 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:29,770 No. 624 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,540 But we know whose image it does fit! 625 00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:33,070 PULLMAN: Yes, Gerry. 626 00:23:33,140 --> 00:23:34,940 But like I said, open mind. 627 00:23:36,910 --> 00:23:37,840 [Knock on door] 628 00:23:37,910 --> 00:23:40,980 Brian's found some information I think we should chase up. 629 00:23:41,050 --> 00:23:44,030 It seems Michael Linden-Warner was a bit of a wild child. 630 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,310 He's got some previous. 631 00:23:45,390 --> 00:23:45,920 What for'? 632 00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:47,120 Nothing very original. 633 00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:49,020 Possession, drunk and disorderly. 634 00:23:49,090 --> 00:23:50,560 But there's one highlight. 635 00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:53,230 An affray. He was in the Wellington pub riot. 636 00:23:53,290 --> 00:23:55,070 Well, well, well. 637 00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:57,960 Oh, by the way, are you going'? 638 00:23:58,030 --> 00:23:59,380 Going Where? 639 00:23:59,430 --> 00:24:00,610 That reunion. 640 00:24:00,670 --> 00:24:03,950 Oh, I don't know, I hadn't thought about it. 641 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,550 I wasn't part of the riot. 642 00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:09,590 I just happened to be in the pub when it happened. 643 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,580 One minute, I'm having a drink, 644 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,020 the next, I'm in the back of a police van. 645 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,550 You'd just gone there for a drink'? 646 00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:14,550 Yes. 647 00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:16,170 HALFORD: Kilburn doesn't strike me 648 00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:18,980 as being your natural stamping ground. 649 00:24:19,050 --> 00:24:20,190 Why'? Do you think I should have been on Sloane Square 650 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:21,190 or in Kensington'? 651 00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:22,930 It's not all that big an assumption. 652 00:24:22,990 --> 00:24:24,160 You'd only just turned 20. 653 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:25,930 People of that age usually hang about 654 00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:27,730 with people they were at school with. 655 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,700 Maybe I preferred a different crowd at that time. 656 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,930 The Kilburn riot wasn't the first time you'd been in a cell 657 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,470 for a public-order offense. 658 00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:35,610 What was going on'? 659 00:24:35,670 --> 00:24:36,770 What do you think? 660 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:37,980 Youthful rebellion. 661 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,800 I wasn't the first 20-year-old to have a lost summer. 662 00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:42,820 And who were you rebelling against? 663 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,620 - Your father? - I suppose. 664 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,540 How did he react to your criminal career? 665 00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:48,030 He was unhappy about it. 666 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,720 Unhappy enough to throw you out of the house? 667 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:52,530 Because when you were arrested, 668 00:24:52,590 --> 00:24:57,490 you gave your address as a squat in Camden, not Holland Park. 669 00:24:59,330 --> 00:25:00,890 Things came to a head. 670 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,000 I moved out, and Dad out me off financially 671 00:25:04,060 --> 00:25:05,510 until I came to my senses. 672 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:07,730 So, how did you hear about the kidnap? 673 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,360 Miss Jones. She came to find me. 674 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,580 And I came straight back home. 675 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,870 I knew my parents would need me. 676 00:25:12,940 --> 00:25:13,680 Of course. 677 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:17,770 It just put everything in perspective. 678 00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:19,350 Yes, I was a screw-up, 679 00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:21,880 but I was there when it mattered. 680 00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:25,830 It's not enough to bring him in. 681 00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:27,750 But you can't really blame him 682 00:25:27,820 --> 00:25:30,550 for wanting to rebel against his parents. 683 00:25:30,620 --> 00:25:32,820 Wasn't exactly the family favorite. 684 00:25:32,890 --> 00:25:35,530 PULLMAN: Not While Barbara still drew breath. 685 00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:36,800 Oh, okay. 686 00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:39,030 No, no, no, we're just leaving. 687 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:40,090 Yeah, fine. 688 00:25:40,170 --> 00:25:42,300 See you in the morning. Good night. 689 00:25:42,370 --> 00:25:43,780 Well'? 690 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,460 She'll brief us tomorrow. 691 00:25:45,540 --> 00:25:47,610 Right, better be off home, then. 692 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,270 Doing anything special tonight? 693 00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:50,940 Yeah. Hiding. 694 00:25:51,010 --> 00:25:53,480 It's Esther's turn to have her stitch and bitch group 695 00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:54,480 at our house. 696 00:25:54,550 --> 00:25:55,480 Stitch and what? 697 00:25:55,550 --> 00:25:57,650 They all sit round and knit and gossip. 698 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,280 So, you Wouldn't be averse to a night out, then? 699 00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:02,700 Where are we going'? 700 00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:05,600 Oh, Gerry. 701 00:26:05,660 --> 00:26:08,420 You do know how to spoil a girl. 702 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:11,480 I can't imagine why you're still single. 703 00:26:11,530 --> 00:26:12,560 [Applause] 704 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,890 Our slogan, "Bringing Communities Together," 705 00:26:17,970 --> 00:26:20,950 is our watchword for the future. 706 00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:28,850 Now, some people will tell you that we should forget the past. 707 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,020 Yeah, people like him. 708 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,980 MacENTEE: Pretend it never happened. 709 00:26:32,050 --> 00:26:35,490 But those who don't learn from their history 710 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,580 are doomed to repeat it. 711 00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:37,620 That's original. 712 00:26:37,690 --> 00:26:39,470 Look, Gerry, if I've got to be here, 713 00:26:39,530 --> 00:26:41,720 at least let me listen to what he's saying. 714 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,560 MacENTEE: But it's not too late for the next generation. 715 00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:46,310 If I have anything to do with it, 716 00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:48,440 they'll have better role models than I had. 717 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:51,630 Better teachers, better fathers. 718 00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:55,800 Not men who are corrupted by injustice and violence. 719 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,040 I know it's too late for me. 720 00:26:58,110 --> 00:26:59,410 I am one of those men 721 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,520 because of what I have seen and what I have done. 722 00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:04,050 But that does not mean 723 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:07,070 that I can't Work toward that better future. 724 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:10,970 And I promise you, all of you, that I will. 725 00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:21,290 [Coins rattling] 726 00:27:21,370 --> 00:27:24,460 [indistinct conversations] 727 00:27:24,540 --> 00:27:25,530 Come on. Let's go. 728 00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:26,840 No. Doesn't it piss you off'? 729 00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:29,010 Blokes like that going on like they're heroes? 730 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,200 That's not what he was saying. 731 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,750 In fact, I think he was saying quite the opposite. 732 00:27:33,810 --> 00:27:35,010 That's not what I heard. 733 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,310 That's because you couldn't quite hear him 734 00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:38,650 over your preconceptions. 735 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,820 Yeah, but that's the problem, innit? 736 00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:42,720 He could be preaching the gospel, 737 00:27:42,790 --> 00:27:44,290 but it Wouldn't mean anything 738 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,550 'cause I know what he's done in the past. 739 00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:48,400 I mean, how can you give money to a man like that? 740 00:27:48,460 --> 00:27:50,330 You'd be surprised. 741 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,470 I've got friends with deep pockets all over this city. 742 00:27:52,530 --> 00:27:54,600 Yeah, but you're not even standing for election in London. 743 00:27:54,670 --> 00:27:56,660 There are lrishmen scattered across the globe, 744 00:27:56,740 --> 00:27:59,010 but they never forget home. 745 00:27:59,070 --> 00:28:00,540 But don't worry. 746 00:28:00,610 --> 00:28:03,080 I never expect any support from the boys in blue. 747 00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:04,410 How did you know? 748 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,380 I've spent enough time in the company of the police 749 00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:07,440 to know one when I see one. 750 00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:10,120 Checking up on me, were you, boys'? 751 00:28:10,180 --> 00:28:12,890 Whatever you want to know, just ask. 752 00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:14,060 Okay. 753 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,100 How well do you know Michael Linden-Warner'? 754 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,190 I don't. Well, I know of him. 755 00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:21,820 So, you're saying you're never met him'? 756 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,170 Not even in Kilburn for instance? 757 00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:27,600 As I said, I don't know the man. 758 00:28:27,670 --> 00:28:30,470 Anyway, thanks for coming. 759 00:28:30,540 --> 00:28:32,130 Perhaps you'd like to take a leaflet with you. 760 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:33,830 - You know what you can do -- - Come on, Gerry. 761 00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:40,710 Esther's lot should be packing away their needles by now. 762 00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:41,750 Home, James! 763 00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:43,410 Here, how do you find out 764 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,360 who's been making donations to a politician? 765 00:28:46,420 --> 00:28:49,700 Well, anything over five grand has to be registered 766 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,530 with the Electoral Commission. 767 00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:52,660 Really? 768 00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:55,820 In that case, I think I'm going back to the office for a bit. 769 00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:57,970 Well, how long are you going to be there'? 770 00:28:58,030 --> 00:28:58,960 I don't know. 771 00:28:59,030 --> 00:29:01,010 You'll drop me home first, Won't you'? 772 00:29:01,070 --> 00:29:03,630 Oh, leave off. You live in the opposite direction. 773 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:06,260 Look, there's a tube station down the road. 774 00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:08,470 I don't do Tubes. 775 00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:11,710 Well, get a bus, number 29. 776 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:16,850 Excuse me. 777 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,560 - Good evening. - Good evening. 778 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,390 [Sighs] 779 00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:16,940 Morning. 780 00:30:17,010 --> 00:30:19,960 I told you! I knew that slimy sod hadn't reformed. 781 00:30:20,010 --> 00:30:22,690 Why do I feel like I've just walked in 782 00:30:22,750 --> 00:30:24,740 halfway through a conversation? 783 00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:26,810 Last night, Brian and I went to see Fintan 784 00:30:26,890 --> 00:30:28,330 make one of his little speeches. 785 00:30:28,390 --> 00:30:29,230 Why'? 786 00:30:29,290 --> 00:30:31,360 For the record, I was duped into going. 787 00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:33,700 And coming home by public flaming' transport. 788 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,890 I wanted to see if I could find anything 789 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,410 that linked him with Michael. 790 00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:38,400 And did you'? 791 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:41,410 Last month, Fintan's campaign received a check 792 00:30:41,470 --> 00:30:42,440 for £20,000 793 00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:43,730 from one Michael Linden-Warner. 794 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,070 HALFORD: And that's not all. 795 00:30:45,140 --> 00:30:46,730 I checked Michael's address in Camden 796 00:30:46,810 --> 00:30:50,020 with Fintan's known addresses at the time of the kidnap. 797 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:50,820 You are kidding me'? 798 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,150 No. They were squat mates in Camden. 799 00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:54,750 Good. We're getting there. 800 00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:57,520 LANE: Well, maybe I can put us over the top. 801 00:30:57,580 --> 00:31:02,280 That second note, I thought I recognized the typeface. 802 00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:06,570 There you go, the Camden Gazette. 803 00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:09,030 Well, well, well. 804 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:10,930 We met in a pub in Kilburn. 805 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,240 PULLMAN: That would be The Duke of Wellington? 806 00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:16,500 Yes. I was there to buy dope. 807 00:31:16,570 --> 00:31:18,310 Fintan came round making a collection. 808 00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:19,310 For the boys'? 809 00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:20,670 Yes. I thought it was hilarious. 810 00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:21,940 Kenneth Linden-Warner's son 811 00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:23,680 being asked to make a contribution 812 00:31:23,740 --> 00:31:25,690 to the people who wanted to see him dead. 813 00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:27,490 I gave him fifty quid. 814 00:31:27,550 --> 00:31:29,450 That's my first mistake. 815 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,450 Why was that? 816 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,260 MICHAEL: It marked me out as a rich kid. 817 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,150 Soon I was Fintan's new best friend. 818 00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:36,260 Must have come as a bit of a blow to him 819 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,300 when your dad stopped bankrolling you. 820 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,700 It didn't go down very well. 821 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,430 Is that when you came up with the plan to kidnap Barbara? 822 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:44,090 No, no. 823 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,030 I didn't know she was missing until Miss Jones turned up. 824 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:48,140 And how did you feel when she did'? 825 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,400 MICHAEL: Upset. 826 00:31:49,470 --> 00:31:51,460 I was frightened for my sister. 827 00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:52,950 STANDING: But it gave you a chance 828 00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:54,200 to get back in with your family. 829 00:31:54,270 --> 00:31:56,170 - The big returning hero. - What was the plan? 830 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,350 Get Fintan to release her 831 00:31:57,410 --> 00:31:58,910 as soon as you got your feet back under the table'? 832 00:31:58,980 --> 00:31:59,910 No. 833 00:31:59,980 --> 00:32:01,180 Something went Wrong, didn't it'? 834 00:32:01,250 --> 00:32:02,690 What happened'? Did Fintan kill her'? 835 00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:04,950 No! I'm telling you I didn't take her. 836 00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:07,000 It was nothing to do with me. 837 00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:09,280 STANDING: What about MacEntee'? 838 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,160 When you heard what the note said about a free Ireland, 839 00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:15,470 didn't you think your new best mate might just be involved'? 840 00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:18,440 He promised me he had nothing to do with the kidnap, 841 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:21,210 but he said he might be able to find out who did 842 00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:23,010 if he asked around his contacts. 843 00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:23,660 And? 844 00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:27,170 He told me he spoke to somebody high up in the Republican Front. 845 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,280 Another terrorist cell had Barbara, 846 00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:31,240 but they didn't want to hurt her. 847 00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:33,590 They just wanted to give my dad a scare. 848 00:32:33,650 --> 00:32:34,910 And you believed him'? 849 00:32:34,980 --> 00:32:36,960 I was young, I was naive. 850 00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:39,960 The one thing Fintan can do is tell a good story. 851 00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:41,730 He's made a career out of it. 852 00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:43,620 But that's all it was in the end. 853 00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:44,920 It was nothing but talk. 854 00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:47,910 And I am... 855 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,530 I didn't realize until it was too late, 856 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,630 until Fintan had talked me into his big idea. 857 00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:56,900 Which was'? 858 00:32:58,110 --> 00:33:00,870 He told me the other cell had no intention 859 00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:02,440 of asking for a ransom. 860 00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:04,850 He thought it was a missed opportunity, 861 00:33:04,910 --> 00:33:07,310 a chance to make money out of my father. 862 00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:09,610 Teach him a lesson for cutting me off. 863 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,090 Well, I was all for that. 864 00:33:11,150 --> 00:33:13,100 So, you and he Wrote the second note? 865 00:33:13,150 --> 00:33:17,180 I told him how much money Dad had at home in the safe. 866 00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:20,170 How much he could get at short notice 867 00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:23,720 Without going to the bank and alerting anyone. 868 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,680 And then I went home and played the prodigal son. 869 00:33:27,730 --> 00:33:29,630 And then you selflessly volunteered 870 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:30,880 to make the money drop. 871 00:33:30,940 --> 00:33:32,610 Where did you really take the cash'? 872 00:33:32,670 --> 00:33:35,710 Straight to The Duke of Wellington. 873 00:33:35,780 --> 00:33:38,150 What was supposed to happen next? 874 00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:41,650 They Were... [Clears throat] 875 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,510 They were supposed to let Barbara go. 876 00:33:44,580 --> 00:33:46,090 Fintan said it was all arranged. 877 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,520 But when, uh... 878 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,890 ...when Dad came home empty-handed, um... 879 00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:04,200 Suddenly, I couldn't get hold of Fintan. 880 00:34:04,270 --> 00:34:07,340 He wasn't at the squat or at the pub. 881 00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:10,570 My parents were falling apart, 882 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,280 and by that time, the police were involved 883 00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:14,280 and the press. 884 00:34:14,350 --> 00:34:16,730 And, eventually, the penny dropped. 885 00:34:16,780 --> 00:34:18,230 I realized I'd been used. 886 00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:21,530 But then the Republican Front claimed responsibility. 887 00:34:21,590 --> 00:34:25,050 I've told you. The RF. didn't really exist. 888 00:34:25,130 --> 00:34:28,400 Fintan had no more idea about Where Barbara was than I did. 889 00:34:28,460 --> 00:34:31,170 He was just using Barbara to make his name. 890 00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:33,270 But I couldn't tell anyone. 891 00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:35,010 No, not Without implicating yourself. 892 00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:37,110 But I didn't know anything. 893 00:34:37,170 --> 00:34:38,710 Not about a kidnap. 894 00:34:38,770 --> 00:34:41,000 I had no idea who'd really taken Barbara. 895 00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:43,450 By that time, you were back in the fold. 896 00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:44,960 Daddy's brave boy. 897 00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:46,350 What about Fintan'? 898 00:34:46,410 --> 00:34:48,280 MICHAEL: I was all his birthdays come at once. 899 00:34:48,350 --> 00:34:49,790 I could never say no to him again. 900 00:34:49,850 --> 00:34:50,840 He knew too much about me. 901 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,290 He was blackmailing you'? 902 00:34:52,350 --> 00:34:55,690 No, he was never as blunt, but, yeah. 903 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,350 Over the years, he'd turn up every now and again 904 00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:58,360 with his sweaty hand out. 905 00:34:58,430 --> 00:35:00,020 You could have said no. 906 00:35:00,090 --> 00:35:01,960 I did six Weeks ago. 907 00:35:02,030 --> 00:35:04,070 The next thing I know, 908 00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:08,070 he's talking about Barbara in an interview. 909 00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:10,120 You know the rest. 910 00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:18,470 Any contribution that Michael Linden-Warner, 911 00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:20,170 or any other donor for that matter, 912 00:35:20,250 --> 00:35:22,720 makes to my campaign is entirely voluntary 913 00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:26,420 and Without obligation on my part. 914 00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:28,650 It's all registered in the Electoral Commission, 915 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,700 and you're very welcome to look at my accounts at your leisure. 916 00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:34,600 Nothing. Not a flicker. 917 00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:36,970 He knows we've got nothing to take to the CPS 918 00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:38,740 except Michael's word against his. 919 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,540 And a load of circumstantial evidence. 920 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,530 Nothing concrete. 921 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,640 And if we're to believe Michael's version, 922 00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:46,170 then we still don't know who actually took Barbara. 923 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,910 So, Where does that leave us'? 924 00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:48,910 Back to square one'? 925 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:51,380 Well, it would explain why the two notes were so different. 926 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,070 They were from two different people, 927 00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:56,610 and I've identified the typefaces. 928 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,560 Fintan and Michael's were cobbled together in a squat 929 00:35:59,620 --> 00:36:02,000 from the Camden Gazette and the NME. 930 00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:02,920 And the other? 931 00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:04,010 Daily Telegraph. 932 00:36:04,090 --> 00:36:06,760 Well, I can't see that being regular reading in a squat. 933 00:36:07,630 --> 00:36:10,120 PULLMAN: If we are looking at two different crimes, 934 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,720 thinking about the kidnap, there was no -- 935 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:13,820 no ransom demand, 936 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:16,670 no claim of responsibility from whoever Wrote the first note. 937 00:36:16,740 --> 00:36:19,210 And I'm assuming that they are the ones who actually took her. 938 00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:22,070 Unless she was already dead. 939 00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:24,780 Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way round. 940 00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:26,590 Not a kidnap leading to a murder, 941 00:36:26,650 --> 00:36:28,390 but a murder leading to a kidnap. 942 00:36:28,450 --> 00:36:31,050 And the Irish connection was just to distract people. 943 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,030 Yeah, what was that you said about terrified people? 944 00:36:34,090 --> 00:36:36,820 Terrified people usually make bad decisions. 945 00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:38,520 So, While everyone is rushing about 946 00:36:38,590 --> 00:36:40,370 doing their best headless chicken act, 947 00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:43,470 someone else is actually getting away with murder. 948 00:36:43,530 --> 00:36:46,810 And when Michael and Fintan interfered, they were home free. 949 00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:48,160 Yeah, what do we think? 950 00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:50,310 Well, it answers all my questions. 951 00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:52,110 Raises a few more. 952 00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:54,520 Why would anyone want to kill an 18-year-old 953 00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:57,890 who everyone thought was sweetness and light? 954 00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:01,190 What about the bloke who she'd knocked back? 955 00:37:01,250 --> 00:37:03,050 I mean, Greg admitted that he was alone with her. 956 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:03,740 Opportunity. 957 00:37:03,820 --> 00:37:05,720 Well, he was a bit pissed. 958 00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:09,310 Which would dull the senses and quicken the temper. 959 00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:11,020 And she totally rejected him. 960 00:37:11,090 --> 00:37:12,230 Motive. 961 00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:13,560 Okay, let's forget for a moment 962 00:37:13,630 --> 00:37:16,190 that this happened in a flashy hotel room 963 00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:18,160 and they were drinking champagne. 964 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:20,700 It is potentially a case of domestic violence. 965 00:37:20,770 --> 00:37:23,040 Because if this had happened in a council flat 966 00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:24,570 and they were knocking back cider, 967 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,630 We'd be looking for a history of domestic abuse. 968 00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:28,870 Well, has he lashed out at any Woman before'? 969 00:37:28,940 --> 00:37:30,240 No, nothing on record. 970 00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:33,140 No, but he doesn't take no for an answer, does he, 971 00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:34,680 Where Women are concerned. 972 00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:35,770 Look at the wife. 973 00:37:35,850 --> 00:37:38,250 I mean, he stalked her from wedding to wedding. 974 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,550 It did seem a bit obsessive. 975 00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:40,960 We should have a word with that friend -- 976 00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:41,950 What's her name? 977 00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:43,490 The one she was supposed to go home with that night. 978 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,150 Kate Smythe. 979 00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:46,530 Yeah, and you go back and talk to Lady Elizabeth 980 00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:47,580 and see if she noticed anything. 981 00:37:47,660 --> 00:37:49,970 Right. 982 00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:05,640 Can I help you'? 983 00:38:05,710 --> 00:38:07,310 I think you should know 984 00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:10,690 that we don't do lessons or rides for tourists. 985 00:38:10,750 --> 00:38:11,850 We're not that kind of stables. 986 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,590 We're not here for the horses. Kate Smythe'? 987 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,640 Barbara and I were friends from school. 988 00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:22,090 She really was a lovely thing. 989 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,170 She took to all the balls and what have you 990 00:38:25,230 --> 00:38:26,770 far better than I did, 991 00:38:26,830 --> 00:38:29,110 but she never left me in a corner. 992 00:38:29,170 --> 00:38:32,630 She always made sure I was okay. Introduce me to people. 993 00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:35,690 I must have been a total pain in the ass. 994 00:38:35,740 --> 00:38:38,470 So, what did you think when she didn't come home with you 995 00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:39,620 that night as planned'? 996 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,810 Well, it was certainly odd. 997 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,830 But I'd seen her earlier with Greg, 998 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,860 so I just assumed that he'd finally got his Way. 999 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,370 His Wicked way, you mean'? 1000 00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:49,680 SMYTHE: Well, yes. 1001 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,250 These functions, the girls were looking for future husbands. 1002 00:38:53,330 --> 00:38:56,330 The boys were looking to get their legs over the girls. 1003 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,560 Of course, some of the girls were more than happy to oblige. 1004 00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:59,860 What about Barbara? 1005 00:38:59,930 --> 00:39:01,490 She wasn't one of them. 1006 00:39:01,570 --> 00:39:03,310 Did this cause arguments with Greg? 1007 00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:05,770 Oh, endless arguments. 1008 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,720 The hours that Amy and I spent in the loos talking it to death. 1009 00:39:09,780 --> 00:39:11,570 Amy Coulthard'? 1010 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,350 Mm, Amy Hampton these days. 1011 00:39:14,410 --> 00:39:17,090 That was a turnout for the books, Amy and Greg. 1012 00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:18,140 Was it'? 1013 00:39:18,220 --> 00:39:19,890 Amy was always dead set against Greg. 1014 00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:22,930 Never a good word for him while he was with Barbara. 1015 00:39:22,990 --> 00:39:24,400 Two years later, they're married. 1016 00:39:24,460 --> 00:39:26,890 But they Weren't interested in each other that summer? 1017 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,760 No, like I say, never a good word. 1018 00:39:28,830 --> 00:39:30,210 What was Amy's problem with Greg? 1019 00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:32,870 Your guess is as good as mine. 1020 00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:35,160 But in the end, she made it pretty clear 1021 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,860 that it was either her or Greg. 1022 00:39:36,940 --> 00:39:39,460 Barbara couldn't be friends with both of them. 1023 00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:41,280 Barbara chose Greg. 1024 00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:42,750 How did Amy react? 1025 00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:44,280 She caused a scene. 1026 00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:48,280 It was at a party that the Linden-Warmers had thrown. 1027 00:39:48,350 --> 00:39:50,120 Everything was going fine, 1028 00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:52,580 but then there were raised voices 1029 00:39:52,650 --> 00:39:56,020 and Amy storming down the stairs, out into the night. 1030 00:39:56,090 --> 00:39:57,920 Next down was Barbara. 1031 00:39:57,990 --> 00:40:00,220 It was quite obvious that they'd had it out. 1032 00:40:00,290 --> 00:40:02,850 And how were they with each other after that? 1033 00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:06,000 Well, Amy kept her distance. 1034 00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:10,770 Even in that awful time after Barbara went missing. 1035 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:17,190 The rest of us Waited and hoped, prayed. 1036 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,710 Amy Coulthard went to Switzerland. 1037 00:40:19,780 --> 00:40:21,850 To a finishing school, for God's sake. 1038 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,590 Finishing school? I thought they went out with the ark. 1039 00:40:23,650 --> 00:40:24,790 Rather. 1040 00:40:24,850 --> 00:40:27,530 Even in the '80s, they were considered archaic. 1041 00:40:27,590 --> 00:40:29,180 Still, she only lasted a fortnight. 1042 00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:31,630 Well, how long should she have been there, then? 1043 00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:34,970 Oh, it takes a year to properly finish off a young lady. 1044 00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:38,030 There's a whole term on pearl necklaces from what I hear. 1045 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,540 Gregory'? He was always an utter gentleman. 1046 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,340 I'm not quite sure what you're saying. 1047 00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:49,880 Well, it's just a line of inquiry at this point. 1048 00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:52,620 But if there was any change in Barbara that summer... 1049 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,980 What sort of change? 1050 00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:57,540 Well, did she become Withdrawn? 1051 00:40:57,620 --> 00:40:58,910 Nervous? Evasive? 1052 00:40:58,990 --> 00:41:01,330 Mr. Halford, she was a teenage girl. 1053 00:41:01,390 --> 00:41:03,130 She could be all those things 1054 00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:05,500 and then an hour later, she could be Walking on air. 1055 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,270 So there was nothing to cause you any concern? 1056 00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:10,760 No, the opposite. 1057 00:41:10,830 --> 00:41:14,890 That summer, my daughter absolutely blossomed. 1058 00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:17,570 She'd always been sweet-natured, 1059 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,370 but over the last couple of months before... 1060 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,650 She was so happy, she glowed. 1061 00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:27,450 And was Gregory the reason for that? 1062 00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:29,510 What else could it have been'? 1063 00:41:29,580 --> 00:41:30,780 She was in love. 1064 00:41:30,850 --> 00:41:32,920 Then why did she turn down his proposal? 1065 00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:36,420 Greg had proposed to her'? 1066 00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:37,720 And she said no. 1067 00:41:37,790 --> 00:41:40,620 That's what they argued about, Lady Elizabeth. 1068 00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:42,400 That can't possibly be right. 1069 00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:44,440 I told you. Greg is a gentleman. 1070 00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:46,360 He Wouldn't have dreamt of proposing 1071 00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:48,380 before speaking to me or Sir Kenneth. 1072 00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:49,610 He asked our permission. 1073 00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:51,800 So, you knew that he'd proposed? 1074 00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:53,100 No. 1075 00:41:53,170 --> 00:41:57,470 I assumed he hadn't had the opportunity. 1076 00:41:57,540 --> 00:42:01,240 They'd argued before he could pop the question. 1077 00:42:01,310 --> 00:42:04,050 I thought she'd sabotaged him. 1078 00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:08,190 I think you're going to have to explain that. 1079 00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:14,460 That night, I told her to expect his proposal. 1080 00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:17,240 She panicked. 1081 00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:20,820 It was too soon. She wasn't sure. 1082 00:42:22,270 --> 00:42:26,440 I had to speak to her in quite strong terms. 1083 00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:27,700 You argued with her'? 1084 00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:30,330 ELIZABETH: She just Wouldn't listen to me. 1085 00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:33,080 I told her how lucky she was Greg had chosen her. 1086 00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:35,750 She said she didn't care. She didn't choose him. 1087 00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:37,110 Did she say why'? 1088 00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:38,360 No! She was being ridiculous. 1089 00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:39,520 She didn't even have a reason. 1090 00:42:39,590 --> 00:42:43,730 At least not one she could tell me. 1091 00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:48,690 Did you feel she was holding something back from you'? 1092 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,400 I asked her what was wrong with him, 1093 00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:54,200 and she refused to say. 1094 00:42:59,540 --> 00:43:02,670 You don't think Greg was involved'? 1095 00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:07,420 Is that what this is all about? 1096 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,190 There are several lines of inquiry. 1097 00:43:12,620 --> 00:43:14,850 I sent her to him. 1098 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,870 I shouted at her. 1099 00:43:19,290 --> 00:43:22,460 My last words to her before... 1100 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,770 I told her not to come home 1101 00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:32,280 Without his ring on her finger. 1102 00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:43,990 Back again? 1103 00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:45,250 How can we help this time? 1104 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,090 We're here to speak to your husband. 1105 00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:48,450 Yeah, we want to talk to you 1106 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,320 about the night Barbara went missing. 1107 00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:52,730 Now, would you rather do that on your own'? 1108 00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:55,320 Whatever you have to say you can say in front of my wife. 1109 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,280 Okay, so, how did you feel when she turned your proposal down'? 1110 00:43:59,330 --> 00:44:01,230 Well, how do you think? 1111 00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:03,460 Rejected, hurt, angry. 1112 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:05,400 Of course. You'd done all that hard work. 1113 00:44:05,470 --> 00:44:08,420 Well, I'd booked a room and ordered a bottle of champagne. 1114 00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:10,100 No, I meant with her parents. 1115 00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:12,210 You'd got the go-ahead, their blessing. 1116 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,840 I suppose. 1117 00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:15,050 Well, it was a done deal, wasn't it'? 1118 00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:16,180 Apparently not. 1119 00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:17,550 All she had to do was say yes. 1120 00:44:17,620 --> 00:44:19,780 One little word and it was all systems go. 1121 00:44:19,850 --> 00:44:21,080 What are you saying? 1122 00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:24,140 I'm saying you didn't want to hear her say no, 1123 00:44:24,190 --> 00:44:25,990 so you decided not to listen. 1124 00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:26,920 What? 1125 00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:29,120 You decided you wanted to get what you'd been promised, 1126 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,940 what you thought was rightfully yours. 1127 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:31,930 GREGORY: No! 1128 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,560 STANDING: Look, you Wouldn't be the first bloke in the world 1129 00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:37,580 who'd had a rush of blood to somewhere that wasn't his brain. 1130 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,870 I can't believe you're actually saying this. 1131 00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:41,080 I never... 1132 00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:43,270 Why would you think that I had anything to do... 1133 00:44:43,340 --> 00:44:46,550 STANDING: Greg, you were the last person who saw her alive. 1134 00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:50,390 Didn't you say that you hardly knew Barbara? 1135 00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:53,850 L-I didn't. 1136 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,220 Not really. 1137 00:44:55,290 --> 00:44:56,430 Then you had a lot of nerve 1138 00:44:56,490 --> 00:44:57,750 asking her to choose between you and Greg. 1139 00:44:57,820 --> 00:44:58,760 What? 1140 00:44:58,830 --> 00:45:01,320 Oh, that's what the row at Barbara's house was all about, 1141 00:45:01,390 --> 00:45:03,340 and it got pretty heated from what I hear. 1142 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,280 And then, a couple of Weeks later, 1143 00:45:06,330 --> 00:45:09,770 Barbara goes missing and you're off to finishing school. 1144 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,000 That had been planned for a long time. 1145 00:45:12,070 --> 00:45:13,900 I'm sure it had, 1146 00:45:13,970 --> 00:45:15,870 but you never got there, did you'? 1147 00:45:15,940 --> 00:45:17,620 I phoned them and asked. 1148 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,020 You never even enrolled. 1149 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:19,610 Amy'? 1150 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,510 PULLMAN: So, Where did you go, and what happened to Barbara? 1151 00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:28,020 Nothing. 1152 00:45:28,090 --> 00:45:29,760 She's probably still alive. 1153 00:45:31,820 --> 00:45:33,930 Greg didn't kill her. 1154 00:45:37,060 --> 00:45:38,440 I ran away with her. 1155 00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:41,300 STANDING: But you Weren't on speaking terms at that point. 1156 00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:43,170 You'd had the big argument. 1157 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:44,800 It wasn't an argument. 1158 00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:46,280 There were raised voices. 1159 00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:47,640 Not from us. 1160 00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:50,620 From Miss Jones. 1161 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,620 She walked in on us. 1162 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,140 That's why you wanted her to break up with Greg -- 1163 00:45:57,220 --> 00:45:59,950 because she wasn't in love with him. 1164 00:46:00,020 --> 00:46:05,580 No, she was in love with me. 1165 00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:09,030 I was in love with her. 1166 00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:10,560 My God. 1167 00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:14,160 You need to understand, Greg. 1168 00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:19,260 I'd never felt like that about anyone before. 1169 00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:20,870 I loved her. 1170 00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:23,650 We just wanted to be together. 1171 00:46:23,710 --> 00:46:24,700 So, why Weren't you'? 1172 00:46:24,780 --> 00:46:28,870 Because our families would have been so disappointed, 1173 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:32,230 so letdown. 1174 00:46:32,290 --> 00:46:35,950 Barbara's parents and mine, 1175 00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:38,250 they expected so much from us. 1176 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,950 They gave us so much. 1177 00:46:40,030 --> 00:46:41,730 We couldn't hurt them. 1178 00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:42,930 But you did. 1179 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,340 Where did you and Barbara go'? 1180 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,640 Paris. 1181 00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:52,470 The first week was fine. 1182 00:46:52,540 --> 00:46:54,440 More than fine. 1183 00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:57,270 We had a beautiful flat. 1184 00:46:57,340 --> 00:46:58,940 We spent all our time together. 1185 00:46:59,010 --> 00:47:00,680 So, what went Wrong? 1186 00:47:01,610 --> 00:47:05,550 I didn't want the adventure to end, 1187 00:47:05,620 --> 00:47:09,500 but then Barbara started talking about us getting jobs 1188 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,000 and settling down. 1189 00:47:12,860 --> 00:47:14,630 I knew that wasn't what I wanted. 1190 00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:15,870 So, what did you want'? 1191 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,990 This! 1192 00:47:19,070 --> 00:47:21,500 A home, 1193 00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:24,060 a husband, children. 1194 00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:25,210 Years. 1195 00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:28,150 AMY: It's true, Greg. 1196 00:47:28,210 --> 00:47:29,470 You gave me everything. 1197 00:47:29,540 --> 00:47:30,480 I do love you. 1198 00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:33,270 PULLMAN: So, what did you do'? 1199 00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:39,690 I Wrote Barbara a note 1200 00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:40,980 and got the plane home. 1201 00:47:41,050 --> 00:47:42,950 And pretended nothing had happened? 1202 00:47:43,020 --> 00:47:44,580 But when I came back, 1203 00:47:44,660 --> 00:47:48,120 there was the whole ransom thing and the police. 1204 00:47:48,190 --> 00:47:50,990 What was I supposed to have done'? 1205 00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:52,660 Told the truth. 1206 00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:56,700 Told the Linden-Warmers that their daughter was still alive. 1207 00:47:56,770 --> 00:47:58,030 Where is she now'? 1208 00:48:00,310 --> 00:48:03,400 I don't know. 1209 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,070 Nice work. 1210 00:48:07,150 --> 00:48:08,080 Cheers. 1211 00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:09,980 LANE: We've put a call in to the French police. 1212 00:48:10,050 --> 00:48:11,520 They're going to check their records 1213 00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:12,570 for a Barbara Linden-Warner. 1214 00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:13,680 PULLMAN: Thank you. 1215 00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:15,590 Can you imagine how Lady Elizabeth is going react 1216 00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:16,650 when she finds she's alive'? 1217 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,920 I'm wondering if there's a paper trail we could get on to 1218 00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:22,480 'cause they had a flat ready for them in Paris, didn't they? 1219 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,000 How does an 18-year-old organize that? 1220 00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:29,100 She doesn't. Not on her own. 1221 00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:31,840 I walked in on them kissing. 1222 00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:34,700 And it wasn't a friendly kiss. 1223 00:48:34,770 --> 00:48:36,280 I was so angry with them. 1224 00:48:36,340 --> 00:48:38,240 Why angry? 1225 00:48:38,310 --> 00:48:41,550 Barbara had been given everything, 1226 00:48:41,610 --> 00:48:43,560 and she was just going to throw it away. 1227 00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:46,220 She was in love, wasn't she'? 1228 00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:47,360 She was a silly girl 1229 00:48:47,420 --> 00:48:49,730 with no idea what she was doing to herself, 1230 00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:50,720 to her family. 1231 00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:52,380 I don't quite understand. 1232 00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:55,590 No, and that's the problem. 1233 00:48:55,660 --> 00:48:57,440 Nobody would have understood. 1234 00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:00,140 They would have judged her. 1235 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,200 They would have made assumptions about her. 1236 00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:06,730 She needed to understand what she was choosing for herself. 1237 00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:10,210 I Wouldn't have thought that falling for Amy was a choice. 1238 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,550 No, but she could have chosen to stay away from her. 1239 00:49:12,610 --> 00:49:14,080 You make it sound very simple. 1240 00:49:15,580 --> 00:49:18,490 I'm -- I'm not saying it Wouldn't have been hard. 1241 00:49:18,550 --> 00:49:21,990 Probably the hardest thing she ever had to do. 1242 00:49:22,050 --> 00:49:23,890 But she could have tried. 1243 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,960 Those sorts of desires... 1244 00:49:28,030 --> 00:49:30,130 Well, sometimes you just have to ignore them 1245 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,130 and get on with things. 1246 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,900 Is that what you told Barbara? 1247 00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:37,430 Yes, and, apparently, she didn't listen 1248 00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:40,210 because I found her in my office going through my files 1249 00:49:40,270 --> 00:49:41,500 looking for her passport. 1250 00:49:41,570 --> 00:49:45,450 I had control of all the family documents. 1251 00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:48,910 Birth certificates, marriage, everything. 1252 00:49:48,980 --> 00:49:52,190 She told me she was going to go away. 1253 00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:54,030 And she wanted me to pretend 1254 00:49:54,090 --> 00:49:56,730 I didn't know what she was going to do. 1255 00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:58,050 I couldn't do that. 1256 00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,630 Did you tell anyone? 1257 00:49:59,690 --> 00:50:02,530 No. 1258 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,030 No. I helped her. 1259 00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:07,080 Whatever I thought of her choices, 1260 00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:08,540 my duty was to her father. 1261 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,190 He would have wanted her safe. 1262 00:50:10,270 --> 00:50:14,410 I booked her onto a ferry, I organized her accommodation, 1263 00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:16,100 and I arranged for Amy to follow her. 1264 00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:18,520 And the kidnap letter? The first one'? 1265 00:50:20,050 --> 00:50:21,550 That was Barbara's idea. 1266 00:50:21,610 --> 00:50:25,220 She knew the Irish thing would put everyone off the scent. 1267 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,720 She was a clever girl. 1268 00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:31,220 And what about when Amy came back? 1269 00:50:31,290 --> 00:50:33,190 It was all over between them. 1270 00:50:33,260 --> 00:50:36,870 I Wrote to Barbara and told her to come home, 1271 00:50:36,930 --> 00:50:40,260 but she was too ashamed to face her father. 1272 00:50:40,330 --> 00:50:42,130 And then, when he was seriously ill, 1273 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,240 I knew she wouldn't be able to stay away, 1274 00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:45,440 so I Wrote to her again. 1275 00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:46,850 But she still didn't... 1276 00:50:49,810 --> 00:50:52,240 She was on her way to the airport. 1277 00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:55,590 The taxi she was in was involved in a collision. 1278 00:50:55,650 --> 00:50:58,050 She died on her way to the hospital. 1279 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:03,290 The thing is, she Wouldn't have made it anyway. 1280 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,360 That was the night Sir Kenneth died, too. 1281 00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:08,920 So, what happened to her'? 1282 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,000 I was registered as her next of kin. 1283 00:51:15,070 --> 00:51:17,630 I had her birth certificate. 1284 00:51:18,570 --> 00:51:21,810 I had her cremated, and I brought her home. 1285 00:51:27,610 --> 00:51:30,980 So, even then, when she was dead, 1286 00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:33,450 didn't you think you ought to tell someone? 1287 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:34,450 Tell her family? 1288 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,150 After all they'd been through, 1289 00:51:36,220 --> 00:51:38,210 you think that would have helped? 1290 00:51:38,290 --> 00:51:40,420 I think you're making excuses, Miss Jones. 1291 00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:43,170 You're not protecting them. You're protecting yourself. 1292 00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:45,870 Absolutely not. 1293 00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:50,140 I gave everything to that family, that firm. 1294 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,480 The things I denied myself... 1295 00:51:52,540 --> 00:51:56,750 The same things you couldn't deny Amy and Barbara? 1296 00:51:56,810 --> 00:51:58,440 You didn't tell the truth 1297 00:51:58,510 --> 00:52:01,750 because there would have been a lot of questions. 1298 00:52:01,810 --> 00:52:05,020 Maybe some questions you've avoided all your life. 1299 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,870 Well, we found her. 1300 00:52:12,930 --> 00:52:14,220 That's about all we did. 1301 00:52:14,290 --> 00:52:17,020 Actually, I think we might have a couple of collars 1302 00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:18,510 for the Merseyside police. 1303 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,270 The Scousers'? What have they got to do with it'? 1304 00:52:20,330 --> 00:52:22,860 You remember that robbery at the Liverpool docks'? 1305 00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:24,130 Assorted small weapons 1306 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,580 being shipped by Linden-Warner Industries? 1307 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,870 October '85'? 1308 00:52:27,940 --> 00:52:29,440 Where the driver ended up dead'? 1309 00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:30,680 Yeah, well, in his book, 1310 00:52:30,740 --> 00:52:32,810 Fintan talks about how he proved himself 1311 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,140 to the Republican bad boys 1312 00:52:34,210 --> 00:52:35,750 by getting hold of Weapons. 1313 00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:37,850 He gave them guns, and then he was in. 1314 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:38,850 That was in '85. 1315 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,590 Yeah, I reckon it was an inside job. 1316 00:52:41,650 --> 00:52:43,450 According to the Liverpool boys, 1317 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,440 the gang knew exactly which container they wanted 1318 00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:48,480 out of hundreds on the dock. 1319 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,550 Michael must have set it up for him. 1320 00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:51,600 Sounds plausible. 1321 00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:53,040 Yeah, but even if Michael coughs, 1322 00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:54,810 it's just his word against Fintan's again. 1323 00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:57,000 LANE: Not quite. 1324 00:52:57,070 --> 00:53:00,680 Fintan also talks in the book about how he went to prison. 1325 00:53:00,740 --> 00:53:03,740 He robbed a taxi driver in Belfast at gunpoint, 1326 00:53:03,810 --> 00:53:05,880 so I got on to the police over there. 1327 00:53:05,950 --> 00:53:07,020 You have been busy. 1328 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,530 Well, they recovered the Weapon from a bin near the scene. 1329 00:53:11,580 --> 00:53:13,570 It had MacEntee's fingerprints all over it, 1330 00:53:13,650 --> 00:53:15,430 and that's what sent him to the Maze. 1331 00:53:15,490 --> 00:53:18,620 Turns out that the serial number of the gun 1332 00:53:18,690 --> 00:53:20,820 matched the guns missing from the shipment. 1333 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,100 My mother? 1334 00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:29,330 Someone's with her. 1335 00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:44,580 Hasn't got much to say for himself at the moment, has he'? 1336 00:53:44,650 --> 00:53:48,790 Here. It's not bad, actually. 1337 00:53:48,850 --> 00:53:51,650 [Chuckles] I might enjoy it... 1338 00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:53,400 now I know it's got a happy ending. 1339 00:53:53,460 --> 00:53:55,740 [Chuckles] 1340 00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:57,090 [Footsteps approaching] 1341 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,630 WOMAN: Mr. Halford, ma'am. 1342 00:54:07,010 --> 00:54:09,000 Lady Elizabeth. 1343 00:54:09,070 --> 00:54:11,630 Is that... 1344 00:54:11,710 --> 00:54:13,300 HALFORD: Yes. 1345 00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:14,760 I'm so sorry. 1346 00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:21,820 Why couldn't she just have talked to me'? 1347 00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:25,530 Why could neither of my children have come to me'? 1348 00:54:25,590 --> 00:54:29,120 Am I really such a terrible mother, Mr. Halford'? 1349 00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:32,360 Did I deserve to lose both of them? 1350 00:54:32,430 --> 00:54:35,470 Nobody deserves that, Lady Elizabeth. 1351 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,680 Right, who's up for a curry, then? 1352 00:54:41,740 --> 00:54:42,940 Oh, yeah, go on, then. 1353 00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:44,030 Sorry. Paperwork. 1354 00:54:44,110 --> 00:54:45,370 I might see you later. 1355 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,340 Okay. Ta-ta! 1356 00:54:47,410 --> 00:54:50,020 - PULLMAN: Bye. - LANE: Bye. 1357 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,380 Paperwork? 1358 00:54:51,450 --> 00:54:52,680 That's what I said. 1359 00:54:52,750 --> 00:54:53,950 You're not going, then? 1360 00:54:54,020 --> 00:54:54,950 Leave it, Jack. 1361 00:54:55,020 --> 00:54:56,090 Aren't you curious to see 1362 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,430 how all your old schoolmates have turned out'? 1363 00:54:58,490 --> 00:55:00,200 Not particularly, no. 1364 00:55:00,260 --> 00:55:02,600 What about that teacher, Miss... 1365 00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:06,590 Harrington. 1366 00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:07,840 I'll tell you what -- 1367 00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:10,460 I'll give you a lift and you can have a drink. 1368 00:55:10,540 --> 00:55:12,520 You might even enjoy yourself. 1369 00:55:16,310 --> 00:55:17,780 Go on, then. 1370 00:55:20,410 --> 00:55:23,050 [Music playing] 1371 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,530 Sandra'? 1372 00:55:32,590 --> 00:55:36,050 Sod it. Let's go for a curry. 1373 00:55:36,130 --> 00:55:38,260 You're really scared, aren't you'? 1374 00:55:38,330 --> 00:55:40,640 I am not scared! 1375 00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:43,310 [indistinct conversation] 1376 00:55:44,540 --> 00:55:45,710 You were saying? 1377 00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:51,050 All right, I admit it. 1378 00:55:51,110 --> 00:55:52,980 School was not the best time for me, okay? 1379 00:55:53,050 --> 00:55:54,070 Can we go now, please? 1380 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,970 You know, the best way to deal with a bully is to face him, 1381 00:55:59,050 --> 00:56:00,790 stand up to him. 1382 00:56:00,850 --> 00:56:02,360 You should do that now. 1383 00:56:02,420 --> 00:56:03,800 That's really good advice, Jack. 1384 00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:05,630 Perhaps you should give it to the girls 1385 00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:06,720 that were bullied by me. 1386 00:56:06,790 --> 00:56:07,900 What? 1387 00:56:09,260 --> 00:56:13,470 I was the school bitch. I was utterly horrendous. 1388 00:56:13,530 --> 00:56:14,910 In fact, I Wouldn't be surprised 1389 00:56:14,970 --> 00:56:16,040 if they were waiting for me in there 1390 00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:17,880 with the tar and feathers. 1391 00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:21,030 Oh, come on, Sandra. You're all grown-ups now. 1392 00:56:21,110 --> 00:56:24,090 Why don't you go and show them how you've changed, 1393 00:56:24,140 --> 00:56:25,820 show them who you really are'? 1394 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,010 Show Miss Harrington. 1395 00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:38,920 Okay. 1396 00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:40,160 Just... 1397 00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:41,190 What? 1398 00:56:41,260 --> 00:56:46,200 Just wait for 10 minutes just in case. 1399 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,490 10 minutes. 1400 00:57:32,110 --> 00:57:33,100 Drive! 1401 00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:36,250 - What? - Just drive! 1402 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,990 1403 00:57:49,060 --> 00:57:51,970 if you're old and gray 1404 00:57:52,030 --> 00:57:54,500 I say it's okay 1405 00:57:54,570 --> 00:57:57,330 1406 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,040 1407 00:58:00,110 --> 00:58:02,750 if the sun don't shine 1408 00:58:02,810 --> 00:58:05,300 I say it's okay 1409 00:58:05,380 --> 00:58:08,590 the end of the day 1410 00:58:08,650 --> 00:58:11,650 Subtitling made possible by Acorn Media